Earnings call: Seadrill boasts robust 2023 results, optimistic for future

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Earnings call: Seadrill boasts robust 2023 results, optimistic for future
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Seadrill Limited (NYSE: SDRL) has announced its fourth quarter and full-year financial results for 2023, highlighting a year of strong financial and operational performance. The company emerged as the best performing equity in its peer group for the year and successfully repurchased $340 million worth of its shares.

Despite anticipating certain headwinds in 2024, Seadrill remains optimistic about its contracting potential and long-term prospects in the offshore drilling sector. With a solid contracted utilization rate and major contracts secured, the company is focusing on reducing downtime and optimizing maintenance to ensure steady cash flow into 2025 and beyond.

Key Takeaways

  • Seadrill achieved a top position in its peer group for 2023, with significant share repurchases.
  • The company secured contracts in Brazil and the US Gulf of Mexico worth $1.1 billion in firm revenue.
  • Adjusted EBITDA for 2023 stood at $495 million with a 33% margin.
  • Seadrill remains positive about the offshore drilling upcycle and its cash flow generation capabilities.
  • A contracted utilization rate of 80% for 2024 has been secured.
  • Full-year guidance anticipates operating revenues between $1.47 billion and $1.52 billion, and adjusted EBITDA of $400 million to $450 million.
  • The company is consolidating its headquarters in Houston, closing its London office.
  • Seadrill is confident in the demand for its rigs and is actively seeking new contracts.

Company Outlook

  • Seadrill forecasts headwinds in 2024 but is actively managing their impact.
  • The company is aiming for more term contracts and optimized maintenance for greater earnings visibility.
  • They expect downtime in 2025 to be significantly lower than in 2024.

Bearish Highlights

  • Short-term opportunities for rigs in Brazil are limited due to potential delays in modifications and acceptance.
  • The West Neptune rig will be out of service for 45 days in Q3 for a special survey and upgrades.

Bullish Highlights

  • Seadrill is confident in securing further work for the West Capella in Southeast Asia after its current contract ends.
  • The company believes in strong market fundamentals and a steady improvement in demand.


  • Downtime days and ongoing maintenance are concerns, but the company is taking steps to mitigate these issues.

Q&A Highlights

  • Seadrill discussed the potential sale of Gulfdrill jack-ups and expressed confidence in the Qatar market.
  • The company is marketing the Capella rig and is in active dialogue for potential contracts.
  • Seadrill sees project economics and shareholder returns as more critical than rig rates in a tight market.

Seadrill Limited, a leading offshore drilling contractor, has concluded its fourth quarter and full-year 2023 earnings call on a positive note, despite some operational challenges. The company's strategic moves, including securing major contracts and a focus on shareholder returns, have positioned it well for the future. While Seadrill is navigating through a period of expected headwinds in 2024, its proactive measures and optimistic outlook for the offshore drilling market suggest a trajectory of continued growth and profitability. With a strong contracted utilization rate and a commitment to optimizing operations, Seadrill is set to maintain its momentum in the industry.

InvestingPro Insights

Seadrill Limited's robust performance, as outlined in the article, is further illuminated by key financial metrics and expert analysis from InvestingPro. The company's market capitalization stands at a solid $2.95 billion, reflecting investor confidence and the sizeable scale of its operations. Despite the anticipated challenges in 2024, Seadrill's price-to-earnings (P/E) ratio of 5.6 indicates a potentially undervalued stock relative to earnings, which could attract value investors looking for bargains in the offshore drilling sector.

InvestingPro Tips suggest that Seadrill's strong revenue growth of nearly 30% in the last twelve months as of Q3 2023, combined with a gross profit margin of 37.77%, underscores the company's ability to efficiently manage its operations and increase profitability. Additionally, the company's price is currently at 83.19% of its 52-week high, which may signal a buying opportunity for those who believe in the company's long-term prospects and its ability to navigate through the short-term headwinds discussed in the article.

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Full transcript - SeaDrill Limited (SDRL) Q4 2023:

Operator: Thank you for standing by. My name is Eric, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Seadrill Fourth Quarter 2023 Earnings Release Call [Operator Instructions]. I would now like to turn the call over to Lydia Mabry, Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Lydia Mabry: Thank you, operator. Welcome to Seadrill's fourth quarter and full year 2023 earnings call. With me for the call today are Simon Johnson, our President and Chief Executive Officer; Grant Creed, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; Samir Ali, Executive Vice President and Chief Commercial Officer; and Marcel Wieggers, Senior Vice President of Operations. Today's call may include forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainty. Actual results may differ materially. No one should assume these forward-looking statements remain valid later in the quarter or year, and we assume no obligation to update them. Our latest Forms 20-F and 6-K filed with the US Securities and Exchange Commission, provide a more detailed discussion of our forward-looking statements and the risk factors affecting our business. During today's call, we may also refer to non-GAAP measures. Reconciliations to the nearest corresponding GAAP measures are in the earnings release filed with the SEC and available on our Web site, seadrill.com/investors. Our use of the term EBITDA corresponds with the term adjusted EBITDA as defined in our earnings release. Now let me turn the call over to Simon.

Simon Johnson: Thank you. Today, I will address our recent accomplishments, near term positioning and future potential. Samir will then discuss our commercial activity and outlook. And Grant will review our financial results and 2024 guidance. Then we will open the call to questions. Seadrill is a leading offshore driller. We consistently execute on our stated strategy, achieving financial and operational results that allow us to deliver industry leading total shareholder returns relative to our offshore floater peers. We were the best performing equity in the peer group in the 2023 calendar year. And we've bought back over $340 million worth of Seadrill shares through our ongoing repurchase program. Throughout the year, we continued our efforts to simplify and strengthen our business. We operated a modern floater focused fleet concentrated primarily in the golden triangle. We achieved minimum efficient scale through our Aquadrill acquisition adding four drillships with near term contracting exposure. We secured leading edge contracts for term work and are announcing two major Brazil awards, representing $1.1 billion in firm revenue at rates our peers would envy, and we followed that with another announcement of a benchmark rate in late January for the US Gulf of Mexico. We have long telegraphed and prepared for headwinds in 2024, first calling attention to them on our second quarter 2023 earnings call. Our trade rivals seem to be recognizing varying degrees of emerging white space supply chain pressures and inflationary capital expenditure and OpEx trends in 2024. At Seadrill, we continue to manage and mitigate the impact these trends may have on our operational and financial results. We aim to secure the right contracts for the right rigs in the right place at the right rates. Moving, for example, the West Polaris (NYSE: PII ) to a term contract in Brazil, a growing market for the industry and a key operating region for Seadrill where we've costed rigs and benefit from economies of scale. We made early decisions to implement wage increases and retention programs, securing talent that's critical to our continued delivery of safe, efficient operations. We invest in our drilling crews’ continued development, providing high fidelity simulator based training programs that allow them to practice and prepare for real life scenarios in an immersive classroom environment. We maintain active dialog with key vendors on supply chain requirements and realities, proactively ordering long lead time items to minimize schedule risk and to improve our ability to recover from unplanned events. Lastly, to the extent we are able, we've begun performing special periodic surveys and related work on an accelerated schedule to limit the interruption to our fleet's revenue profile and coincide with a broader transition year. We're commencing a transition to a more continuous approach to required reclassification in coming years. Going forward, we anticipate that we will see less time out of service for five yearly surveys. For 2025, we continue to derisk our outlook and build greater earnings visibility through term contracts and optimized maintenance schedules. Our active fleet is now over 60% contracted for the year 2025 and that number will rise higher as we approach recontracting windows. Additionally, reduced maintenance obligations limit future out-of-service days and related impact to revenue and margin. We remain steadfast in our belief in a long enduring offshore drilling up cycle as the world's population continues to grow in both size and wealth, so to will be attendant demand for hydrocarbons as they remain some of the most economic, efficient and reliable sources of energy. Increasingly, we expect offshore will be the source of supply of rising oil and gas demand, given the size and strength of its reserves, though rig supply remains constrained as most industry participants express reluctance to reactivate the [fee] inventory of stacked assets until customer terms and contract economics justify the time and capital investment needed. The resulting delta between supply and demand reaffirms our view that this will be a multiyear cycle. We're not alone in this as third party analysts expect drillship demand to increase by nearly 20% in 2025 compared to 2023. At the firm level, we believe our ability to maintain a strong balance sheet and generate healthy cash flow allows us to withstand any near term adversity and capitalize on mid to longer term opportunities that will develop as the cycle progresses, creating continued value for our customers and shareholders. Based on current market conditions, we believe we can deliver meaningful ever expansion and free cash flow generation from our existing business in 2025 and beyond. Let's elaborate on what that might look like in four simple steps using high level estimates and round numbers. So let's begin with 2023 reported EBITDA of $495 million. First, 2023 actuals only included nine months of Aquadrill contribution, future results will benefit from the full year. Second, we're on track to deliver our stated synergies of $70 million of value per year in respect to the Aquadrill transaction, largely associated with the elimination of third party rig management fees. As many of you are aware, legacy Aquadrill was more of a rig owner than operator, subcontracting drillers to operate rigs on their behalf. When we acquired the company, we acquired those contracts effectively paying industry competitors to perform a job we do ourselves every day. As the rigs transition to new contracts through 2024, we will eliminate those management fees and see immediate bottom line impact. Third, repricing near term contracts to market rates supports further EBITDA expansion. The West Polaris will see meaningful EBITDA improvement when it moves from India to its new leading edge contract in Brazil at the end of the year despite India being a much lower cost operating environment. Finally, repricing should become particularly impactful when we mark to market our three rigs we currently operate in Brazil on long dated legacy contracts booked in the fourth quarter of 2022. These three rigs have a current average disclosed day rate of just over $250,000 per day. Were they to secure contracts at rates like that awarded to the West Auriga, they would earn nearly twice as much revenue, and assuming costs remain the same, approximately $250 million more in annual EBITDA. Should the market improve as we believe it can, that number could be even higher. So bringing this together, you can see how we can materially improve from our 2023 baseline. We believe this level of EBITDA expansion and resulting cash flow generation is both reasonable and realistic. We should soon benefit from a full year's contribution from the legacy Aquadrill fleet and the elimination of third party rig management fees, and we will continue to see impact of near and longer term repricing as rigs roll off existing contracts. We remain confident in the value we can create in the coming years. We actively manage our business in a way that reflects tomorrow's realities and tomorrow's opportunities, which Samir and Grant will discuss in more detail. With that, I'll turn the call to Samir.

Samir Ali: Thank you, Simon. I'll review our recent contract awards and then walk through our fleet status, providing a Seadrill specific market outlook. Since we last spoke during our third quarter earnings call, we have secured approximately 80 months or 6.5 years worth of additional backlog across four drillships on an average day rate close to $475,000 per day. These awards are a testament to the strong brand and industry leading team at Seadrill. In December of last year, as a part of the [busiest] tender, Petrobras awarded both the West Auriga and the West Polaris multiyear contracts for offshore Brazil, representing $1.1 billion in combined contract backlog. We expect the contracts to commence in late 2024. Notably, the West Auriga represents one of the highest day rates achieved thus far in the cycle by any industry player with an implied day rate of approximately $500,000 per day. In January, we announced another market leading rate this time in the US Gulf of Mexico. The West Vela secured a 150 day contract with implied day rate of approximately $490,000 per day, excluding managed pressure drilling services. We expect the work to commence in direct continuation of the rig's existing firm term contracts, securing the rigs in the US Gulf of Mexico to the middle of next year. Lastly, the operator of West Capella exercised a priced one well option valued at $24 million to maintain her for their current program. While we anticipate the option would carry the Capella through November, recent changes in the clients well schedule means she will only be working through August. Unlike firm term contracts, well based agreements may move to the left or the right depending on drilling programs and schedules. As of today, our 2024 contracted utilization is a solid 80%, excluding three cold stacked rigs, which we market selectively. We currently have 39 months of uncontracted rig time across our fleet for the calendar year 2024. Scheduled maintenance should consume approximately seven months worth of this idle time with five rigs requiring varying amounts of out of service time based on our current plans. Contract preparation could consume an additional 17 months, largely related to our two Brazil contract awards I mentioned earlier. We are actively looking to secure work for the remaining 15 months. The Sevan Louisiana is currently undergoing five year maintenance through the first half of March after completing her well based contract earlier and effectively drilling herself out of work in December of last year. The Louisiana is one of the last remaining semisubmersibles in an increasingly bifurcated US Gulf of Mexico. She competes in a smaller secondary segment focused on lower priced and more niche applications. We continue to market her actively in the US Gulf and further abroad. And while we don't have anything to announce today, we remain optimistic on her contracting potential. Turning to the two rigs that were awarded contracts in Brazil. Both the West Polaris and the West Auriga requires significant modifications, mobilization and intake and acceptance by Petrobas and regulatory agencies before they begin their new contracts at year end. So while the rigs are technically available to work now, the opportunity to slot in short term work is limited as any delays could jeopardize the rig schedule arrival offshore Brazil. We knew meaningful white space was a possible outcome when we pursued these contracts. Securing fifth and sixth rigs in Brazil strengthens our already leading position in the local market and enhances our economies of scale. We expect the West Phoenix, our harsh environment semi in Norway, to finish its well based contract in August. The rig will require a shipyard stay for upgrades and maintenance before she begins her next contract, and her destination market will influence the type and level of investment made. The Phoenix will be the first floater available in the Norwegian market. While we remain optimistic about our contracting prospects, we expect any potential future work will not start before the second quarter as the North Sea operators typically wait until spring to be in drilling programs. As previously stated, we now expect the West Capella to end its current contract in August, subject to well schedule. She is one of the few available rigs in Southeast Asia. Additionally, she is equipped with MPD. Given recent discoveries in Indonesia and elsewhere, we are confident we can secure further work for the rig soon. Lastly, we expect the West Neptune to be out of service for 45 days in the third quarter for a special periodic survey and upgrades scheduled between wells on its existing contract in the US Gulf of Mexico. That concludes my walk through the Seadrill rig fleet. We expect to provide more insight on our 2025 contracting outlook the deeper we get into the year. Lead times for future contracts vary by region from six to 18 months depending on geography. In some regions, customers are initiating conversations for projects with start dates in 2026 and beyond. In others, they're not even yet discussing the fourth quarter. In either case, we believe we are well positioned to secure the right contracts to generate the earnings potential, Simon alluded to earlier. And with that, I'll pass the call to Grant.

Grant Creed: Thanks, Samir. I'll start by reviewing our recent financial results before providing our full year guidance. For the full year 2023, we delivered $495 million of adjusted EBITDA on $1.5 billion in revenue. This translates into industry leading EBITDA margin of 33%. Turning to the fourth quarter. Adjusted EBITDA was $100 million consistent with expectations as our 2023 full year guidance implied softer fourth quarter EBITDA of $90 million to $110 million. Total operating revenues were relatively flat quarter-on-quarter at $408 million. We recognized $315 million in contract revenues, a slight decline from the prior quarter, primarily due to unplanned downtime related to well control equipment and the Sevan Louisiana finishing a well based contract earlier than anticipated. We recognized an additional $73 million in management contract revenues, which represents income generated from the three rigs we operate as part of our Sonadrill JV. The $5 million sequential increase reflects higher reimbursable revenue relating primarily to rig maintenance that was offset by a corresponding increase in management contract expenses. Lastly, we recognized $14 million in other revenues, which includes bareboat charter income from our Gulfdrill joint venture and $6 million in reimbursables, which is offset by corresponding reimbursable expenses. Now turning to expenses. For the fourth quarter, vessel and rig operating expenses were up $36 million sequentially, primarily composed of three components. Noncash accruals represented $15 million and much of the remaining $21 million was distributed relatively equally across two primary categories. The first category was planned maintenance projects and capital spares purchases, which was heavily related to timing. The second was rig personnel. Fourth quarter results include the impact of pay rises and retention programs, reflecting a tight labor market and inflationary environment. Additionally, we saw third party managers on legacy Aquadrill rigs use temporary contract labor to fill crew vacancies. SG&A costs were $6 million higher than the prior quarter, primarily related to severance. Moving on to the balance sheet and cash flow statement. We maintained a strong balance sheet and sound capital structure. At year end, we had total gross debt of $625 million and $697 million in unrestricted cash resulting in a net cash position of $72 million. Fourth quarter operating cash flow totaled $140 million on the back of solid earnings and supported by a reduction in working capital. Capital expenditure for the fourth quarter totaled $90 million, divided almost equally across long term maintenance costs, which, for your awareness, are treated as operating cash flows and the cash flow statement and capital upgrades related to contract preparation and incremental equipment spend. This was slightly higher than previously guided on our third quarter call due to the need to secure long lead items for the Auriga and Polaris projects. This yielded free cash flow of $92 million for the quarter. Now let's discuss our guidance. Our full year guidance reflects our expectations that 2024 is a transition year. We expect total operating revenues between $1.47 billion and $1.52 billion. Guidance largely reflects firm revenues, including 92% of contract drilling revenue already secured in our backlog as well as the fleet status and outlook that Samir reviewed earlier. We anticipate adjusted EBITDA to be $400 million to $450 million. Key points to note are extensive contract preparation and mobilization of the West Auriga and the West Polaris ahead of the Brazil contracts, and planned out of service time related to special periodic surveys and associated maintenance. Note that our revenue and adjusted EBITDA guidance includes amortized mobilization revenues and expenses of approximately $40 million and $45 million respectively. It also includes reimbursable revenue and expenses of approximately $70 million. And as a reminder, reimbursables are low margin revenues. And finally, we expect CapEx of $400 million to $450 million. This reflects a spike in our SPS cycle as well as major projects for the Auriga and Polaris, which are due to commence long term campaigns towards the end of the year. As it relates to capital allocation, we remain committed to shareholder returns, the pace at which we've bought back our own shares certainly demonstrates this. We initiated a $250 million share repurchase program in September. We completed it by November. And in December, we expanded it by an incremental $250 million. To date, we have repurchased $342 million worth of Seadrill shares at what we believe is a highly accretive price level. This represents 11% of our total share capital. We remain committed to continued value creation across the cycle. Back to you, Simon.

Simon Johnson: Before we open the call for questions, I want to thank our employees for their continued contributions to our progress. As you're aware, we are closing our corporate office in London and concentrating our headquarters in Houston, bringing together our senior leadership and broader corporate team and aligning our presence with key customers, vendors and fleet operations. The moves marks another transition this calendar year. We're excited about the energy and enthusiasm that being together will create. To our London team, thank you for your efforts to strengthen our organization during your tenure. For those who will make the move to Houston, thank you for your continued commitment to Seadrill and interest in making us one of the best in the industry. So in closing, to all of our employees, suppliers and customers, thank you for your engagement and ideas as we consider how we can be more collaborative, efficient and responsive in our daily operations. It's through our combined efforts that we will continue to improve. With that, we can open the call for questions.

Operator: [Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Ben Nolan with Stifel.

Frank Galanti: This is Frank Galanti on for Ben. In the past, you had talked about renegotiating the existing contracts early for the couple of assets in Brazil with Petrobras. Can you provide us an update on where that stands?

Samir Ali: I don't think we had said previously we'd renegotiate them, but we are definitely looking to recontract those rigs in Brazil. I'd say we're starting to enter that window. In the prepared remarks, we have said certain markets are nearing the six months, certain markets are 18. I'd say Brazil is probably on the upper end of that range. So we are starting to have those early conversations with Petrobras and others about recontracting those assets. But as we get deeper into 2024, you should expect that to provide some more guidance about where we are on that recontracting for those rigs. I'd also say they're all Brazil ready and they could stay in that market, but we're not opposed to moving them to other markets if it required as well.

Frank Galanti: And so I wanted to sort of follow up on the CapEx, it's a pretty meaningful step-up in '24. But can you sort of talk about sort of what goes into that number and really to sort of get visibility on what that number looks like on a go-forward basis in '25 and going forward?

Simon Johnson: Well, let me just kick off and then I'll pass to Grant to get into the numbers. But I mean, our CapEx is meaningfully higher next year because of the SBS intensity. And that is really itself a function of the delivery anniversary dates when these rigs are originally constructed. So we've been talking for many quarters now that this was coming at us it was going to be a reality and that we are planning for it to mitigate its impact. The key thing to understand is there are going to be more revenue days than '25 and '26. We're proactively doing maintenance where we have the opportunity to do that as part of contract preparation. And we expect to be on materially higher average rates across the fleet in future years and that's going to be the benefit of the work that we're doing now. But Grant will go into detail in terms of the quantum.

Grant Creed: And I'll just break it down into three categories that we typically talk about being the maintenance, SPS and then the customer specific requirements. But starting with the LTM, we have said consistently now that maintenance for one of our rigs is between $20,000, $25,000 a day, which for our fleet translates on to approximately $100 million, $120 million per annum and that will continue to be the case 2024. Then going on to SPS's. We've said -- previously, we've mentioned a figure of seven rigs on SPS. Now that excludes the Auriga, Polaris, which I'll come on to. We said that Neptune and Louisiana are going to go through their full SPS cycle with associated downtime days. And so you can model in your full SPS costs. Phoenix, we put in the SPS category, I guess, technically, that's regulatory compliance work, but that's going to be undertaken this year. And that will have associated downtime days to the extent that when that's done rolling off the Vela contract. Then on the four Brazil rigs that are currently in Brazil, Jupiter, Carina, Saturn, Tellus, those have SPS works, but we are not doing or not having associated SBS or out-of-service days, that's going to our continuous classing that Samir and Simon has talked to previously. And then finally, Auriga, Polaris numbers are in there. Important when you look at Auriga, Polaris, we've got the project, of course, as well. But within that, we're taking the opportunity to do some SBS work and long term maintenance as well.

Operator: Next question comes from the line of Greg Lewis with BTIG.

Greg Lewis: Simon, thanks for the guidance. It -- as we match what free cash flow could look like, curious just given the transition year this is. Curious how you're thinking about the buyback? I mean clearly, we still have some available capacity, still have a lot of cash on the balance sheet. Just any kind of thoughts around how you're thinking about the implementation of the buyback as 2024 plays out?

Simon Johnson: Look, I think capital return is going to be the heart of our proposition to the market in coming years. We have a facility in place that takes us through to at least the middle of this year. And I think we're very mindful that a lot of people like our stock for that visibility and that commitment to deliver value to shareholders that can't be otherwise utilized in the ordinary business of the firm. So we think it's important and it's -- we're somewhat unique in the space. We've got only one other major peer who's able to deliver in the way that we've been delivering. And yes, we think it's a great feature. But Grant, maybe you like to add some color.

Grant Creed: I think as it relates to the buyback, I think it's important to say that we'll always assess the buyback at the point in time that we're making the decisions, and we'll always have reference to our financial policy, and we've been through that on previous calls. But then just to recap very quickly, looking at where the market is looking at leverage and liquidity projections, looking at maintenance of the fleet, including SPSs, then we look at any growth opportunities and with a focus on accretive growth opportunities. But in the absence of that with excess cash and visibility with comfortable leverage and liquidity, we'll look to return capital to shareholders.

Greg Lewis: And then I was hoping for some color. I guess it's a two part question on the Gulfdrill jack-ups. I guess, one, how are we thinking about or how should we be thinking about the impact on the guidance around those rigs, i.e., I know we've been exploring a potential sale since at least the back half of last year? And then beyond that, what's the appetite then realizing that the market is still digesting the news out of Saudi Arabia, not that these rigs are in Saudi Arabia, but the news around Saudi Arabia and that impact on the jack-up market and kind of -- yes, that's kind of what I'm wondering.

Simon Johnson: Look, I think first of all, it's important to say that the reaction to the Saudi is, we believe, has been disproportionate. And really, for us, the big takeaway is that growth outside the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has been really undervalued by market spectators. The opportunity is in Qatar. That's the biggest potential source of jack-up demand outside of Saudi Arabia, and it's being somewhat of everyone's radar. The Qatar market has also typically lagged activity in other market segments as well. So we have a great position there with our joint venture partner. We believe that they have a preferred status in terms of providing supply to that market. And as we think about the future there, we're happy to stay with those rigs. I don't occupy a lot of management bandwidth as we said before and we'll be patient. If we choose to conclude a sale, it's going to be at terms that will be satisfactory to our shareholders. We don't feel pressured to hasten that sale process. And we're going to wait until we get the right buyer at the right price. We are obviously transitioning out of the jack-up segment, that's no secret. But we're going to be patient and rational in the manner in which we do that. So we continue conversations with interested potential buyers. And when we've got some firm news, we'll come back and share that with the market, Greg. But at this point, we don't see any bad read across from the Saudi news. We think there's great news to come in terms of the Qatar market and the value of those assets in that market.

Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Fredrik Stene with Clarkson Securities.

Fredrik Stene: I wanted to touch a bit on your contracting strategy. And as you said in your prepared remarks, you'll provide more color, particularly on 2025 as we move along. But as you're working through the opportunities that you're currently looking at, are you inclined based on your market view to chase short term opportunities or longer term opportunities? Do you have any preference in how you would like to lock in rates or if you would be bold and if they go even higher? That's kind of the first question I have.

Samir Ali: I'd say both, right? So I think it's rig specific, geography specific. There are certain rigs that we're not opposed to chasing some short term work. but we do have some longer term prospects that we're also looking at. So I think for us, it's being balanced and making sure that we're generating cash flow in the near term for some of our open capacity, but we're trying to box smart as well, right? So we're also looking at and being very surgical and strategic with where we place our assets. So we're not just going to chase everything. We're going to look for the right work for the right rig. So a long way of saying, yes on both accounts. I've got some assets that will take short term and then we've got some assets that we're waiting for that right opportunity and locking along the rate. As you saw with the Auriga and the Polaris, we thought there would be some turbulence in the market, so we went along on those. And there's some other shorter term contracts in the Gulf of Mexico that we went short on and got high day rates off. So we will be pretty strategic about how we do it.

Fredrik Stene: And just one more from me. On the West Phoenix, I think you said and it’s heard that that side of contract work needs to be done, and it will probably not work until the second quarter next year. I got that right, right?

Samir Ali: I think that's reasonable. I mean for us, right now, she does roll off later this year. We do have some capital investment in depending on the market she goes to, that will drive that capital investment and her contract outlook. So I think we are working a few leads right now, but realistically speaking, probably the drilling season of '25 is probably once she picks back up.

Fredrik Stene: And then just as a follow-up on that, depending on what kind of reach opportunities you are chasing, will you -- before you put capital into her, will you have to have something firm defined or is there some work that you could do that would need to do anyway and then do contract specific things? Or how are you going to play that so that you'll make sure that you'll actually get a return on whatever you put into her cash wise?

Samir Ali: So that's something that I spend a lot of time and the team spend a lot of time thinking through, right? So we will not spend a significant amount of capital in her unless we have clear line of sight to something. We are looking at a few things. But for us to ask for a reasonable amount of capital, we need to have -- I wouldn't say a firm contract, but we need to have a very, very clear line of sight towards something.

Operator: [Operator Instructions] Next question comes from the line of Hamed Khorsand with BWS Financial.

Hamed Khorsand: So first question I had was, what type of conversation, if any, are you having with customers at this point as far as the rigs are concerned? Is there -- are you seeing pushback on the contract day rates, or is it really just more the customers or potential customers push back on their own time lines?

Simon Johnson: Hamed, maybe I'll kick off and then Samir can jump on the back. But look, I mean, I think your reference is the fact that rates have been sort of tracking sideways a bit. I don't think that's so much a function of some kind of structural resistance to the market. It's really more a reflection of the market absorbing some idle capacity from a short number of our active competitors. There's a declining inventory of those idle rigs now. And I think the fact that the market has been able to absorb them pretty well in the last couple of quarters gives a good indication of the potential for further development in the future. So we're not too worried about that. What I would tell you is that we still believe that the fundamentals are strong. The medium term outlook is great for the rig business. We're seeing steady but continuous improvement in demand across a wide range of geographies. And really that's what is going to drive the development of rates going forward. It's going to be about the interaction of that growth and demand with a relatively elastic supply of rigs, it's really quite straightforward, I think. And I think we saw recently one of our major customers take a position in rig ownership. I think that was a great signal for the market. It was certainly great for the contractor in question, they have unparalleled visibility in the revenue profile. So I think what that does indicate is also potential for flexibility in the commercial bargain. The customers and their bid to maintain costs at levels that they deem acceptable are having to get more creative about how they award contractors. So that may mean that you see them being willing to commit more money upfront to defray CapEx challenges and assisting contractors in that manner, as well as maybe giving them some near term relief or some long term security of supply. So I think there's lots of things happening in the market. Overall, the trend is up and to the right and we continue to be encouraged by that. And one last thing I'll leave before I pass to Samir that people, I think, should be reflective of is that we're nowhere near the levels of customer demand that we saw at the height of the last cycle. We're roughly halfway, I would say, in that regard. So as people think about potential for where the market might go, that clear analog is what happened last time. So with that, I'll past to Samir.

Samir Ali: So we definitely saw '24 as the transition year. You saw a flurry of awards in the second half of last year. I think customers are just digesting now and going through it. And historically, if you look, Q1 has always been slower as well. So nothing terribly surprising. I think we saw this coming, that's why you've seen us make the moves we have. And as we look at 2025, we continue to see the progression going. So I think for us, none of this seems terribly surprising on where we are in the market.

Hamed Khorsand: And just given the downtime you're taking this year, any estimate on what the kind of downtime you would have in '25?

Samir Ali: We haven't guided to '25 yet but we have said it will be significantly less, right? We have a bunch of rigs going through survey this year and it just takes them out of service for -- in terms of our ability to market them. So part of that was us being conscious about doing a lot of it this year as we could because that transition was happening. But going forward, you should expect it to be significantly less than '25.

Hamed Khorsand: And last question is on the Capella. Have you already started marketing the rig? And how is the market there as far as being able to get another contract as soon as possible?

Samir Ali: So we started marketing the day we closed on Aquadrill. So we've been actively having those conversations, because a part of our synergy capture was bringing those back all in-house, right? Paying a third party manager to do something that we can do, doesn't make a lot of sense for us. So we are doing that actively. In terms of when we could get something? She's on a well based contract. You saw it slipped. So it could go to the left, it could go to the right. We do have to transition back to ourselves as well. But really, that well based contract will make it kind of a little difficult to nail down to start window. But I can say we are in active dialog with that rig and we hope to be able to announce something in the near term.

Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Kurt Hallead with Benchmark.

Kurt Hallead: So I had a follow-up. There was the reference there to the fact that demand in this current -- where we sit currently is not anywhere near where it was last cycle. I was just wondering like what kind of data can people who are not so living the business like we are, and you are, what kind of things can journalist investors look at to give them the same level of conviction that you guys have about, and others in this business, about the fact that demand is still on the way higher and hasn't plateaued, right? Because that's part of the concern and you've already addressed part of it in the pricing dynamic. But again, you guys live it, breath it everyday. So what are some things that people on the outside can look to kind of give them the same conviction you have?

Simon Johnson: Look, I think other than rule or rig market data and that picture is a little less transparent than it has been in the past, because there's a lot of direct negotiations and extensions. So there's a lot of work programs that aren't visible even to inform participants in the market necessarily. So I'd say that at the outset. But there's a lot of other proxies for activity, be it wellheads, be it Christmas tree orders. We look at seismic programs. A good one was the 261 lease sale in December of last year where you saw $382 million spent by the operators. It was the largest Gulf of Mexico sale since 2015. I think that doesn't translate into immediate drilling activity, but these are all great data points in terms of giving us confidence in the future and subsequent years ahead. So we look at what other segments of the upstream business are doing, how all of that interacts with rig days that are in the market and supply. Most of the people in the management teams at our peer group have been through multiple of these cycles. So look, part of it is muscle memory, but it is informed ultimately by underlying data and we spent a lot of time dredging through that and drawing conclusions about what the future might deliver. I've been in this business for almost 30 years now and this is a good picture, as I've ever seen at this point in the cycle.

Kurt Hallead: So maybe on a follow-up to that, right, in the context of economics, right? So we've seen a lot of third party data out there that shows that ultra deepwater projects in multiple basins are generating 30% plus returns at $70 Brent and are breakeven at $40 Brent and below, again, I've heard numbers lower for Guyana and Brazil, et cetera, right? So another set up here is that beginning some questions around how much pushback will the offshore drillers get on pricing improvement in the context of how that impacts overall drilling economics. So can you give us a refresher as when you think about the all-in spread rate for an ultra-deepwater rig, what is the percent of project economics that the rig represents?

Simon Johnson: Look, it's a difficult question to answer concisely, Kurt. I think the issue is that the operators, there's a wide variety of projects in their portfolios, some near term tieback opportunities that are much more driven by rig rate. And then you're looking at big multiyear field developments where the rig rate is relatively unimportant as a proportion of the total cost. So typically, the rule of thumb we use is that the spread rate these days is typically about $1 million a day. And with rig rates tracking as they are at the moment, close to $500 a day, we represent about 50% of that total cost mix, but it does vary according to the project. What I would say though is and what I think is more important than how much of the spread cost is in the rig rate constitutes? What I think is more important is the fact that all the understanding that the operators are constrained in terms of their capital allocation by their desire to return money to their shareholders. And I think that really is the more important thing rather than any sort of ultimate rate level. So they're wanting to reward their shareholders and some of our major suppliers are in a similar boat. And increasingly, as you've seen with our share repurchase agreement, we're also focused on that, too. So I never have seen such synchronicity through the value chain in that regard. So when we're thinking about how our rates might sort of drive activity, will demand get pinched out at some point? Well, conceivably, yes. But really, I think we're more focused on how these project economics stack up relative to the return profile that our principal customers are offering their shareholders. So yes, I didn't quite answer the question, Kurt, but hopefully, that gives you a bit of color.

Kurt Hallead: Now there is one more follow-up, if I may, right, is that the other dynamic here, I would have to imagine, right, is that when an oil company is assessing their future projects and assessing -- the guy says, okay, what rigs are available that have the spec that you want et cetera, et cetera. I really have to assume when they go through that budgeting process, they're not looking in the rearview mirror with respect to potential price of a rig, right? And I have to imagine that they're looking at different ranges, right, and what they may be willing to accept, right? But I have to imagine that they're not looking at these projects and saying, I can only do them at $400,000 a day. So again, you have some like -- am I completely off base in that process? And I guess the real answer to that question is are customer, the oil company customers factoring in? I have to imagine they're factoring in some sort of price increase for rates, so when they assess these projects. Any -- do you want to set me straight on any of that?

Simon Johnson: No, no. I think we're in all agreement with you. What I would say is different technical specifications, the customers' ability to make active choices there declines as the market gets tighter. And I think you also see less price discrimination between rigs of differing specification in a tight market as well. So care to add anything, Samir?

Samir Ali: I'd say the clients claim that our rig rate makes a huge difference to their project FIDs. But in the reality is no, they don't, right? I mean, the projects work, it's just making sure that they can get all of their other equipment put together and through the process. And to Simon's point, it's a return on capital for them, right? It is, does this make sense for their capital. But in terms of rates, we'll get beat over the head that it makes a huge difference, but the reality is it does not really move the needle.

Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, there are no further questions at this time. That concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining, and you may now disconnect your lines.

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